“Ugh. Look at how fat that kid is.”

By Samantha Thomas, January 30, 2011

Update: *Someone requested that I put an ED trigger warning on this and the comments so far. So here it is. Always happy to add trigger warnings if you drop me a line* S x

Female One:  ”Ugh. Look at how fat that kid is.” (Referring to a kid about aged 8 in the pool)

Female Two: “It’s fucking disgusting you know. Look you can see his whole body wobbling in the water” (laugh)

Female One:  ”He’s got boobs too. (eye roll) Surprised he doesn’t sink”

Female Two: “I just don’t get how parent’s can let their kids get that fat. Like, if that was my kid I would hire him a personal trainer or something. Or have him on lettuce all day (laugh). It’s not like they don’t know that it’s bad for you.”

Female Two: “I just reckon it’s abusive. If you want to get fat then go ahead. But you should know that that will kill your kid”

Female One: ”My friend (name) is a nurse and she said that she see’s kids every day with diabetes. But she said the parent’s are in denial. Like often they are so fat themselves they don’t care or they think it’s normal or something. It’s disgusting.”

Female Two: “Sometimes I feel like going up to parents and given them a piece of my mind”

Female One: “Really?”

Female Two: “Yeah, because someone needs to like tell them they are killing their kids, you know.”

Female Three: “It’s probably attitudes like those that are killing their kids actually.”

Female Two: “I’m sorry?”

Female Three: “Attitudes like yours. Probably causing more problems for kids like that, than the fat that they are carrying” (Nice friendly smile)

Female One and Two look a bit uncomfortable.

Female One: “We are just having a private conversation here.”

Female Three: “Yes I know, and I’m really sorry to interrupt you both, but I just think what your saying is crap to be honest. Do you know what one of the main health risk factors for kids who are that weight is?”

Female One and Two (silence)

Female Three: (Very reasonable tone) “It’s actually suicide. And do you know why that is? Because people like you, and probably your kids who pick up your attitudes towards kids like that, make fat kids like that feel so shit about themselves that they don’t want to live”.

Female One: “I’m not bullying anyone!”

Female Three: “No. But you just made a bunch of jokes about that kids weight didn’t you?”

Female One: “No I didn’t!”

Female Three: “Look I’m not looking for a fight. I just think sometimes we can get really critical of people who are overweight really for no good reason. That fat kid is probably no more disgusting or unhealthy than that skinny one swimming next to him.”

Female Two: “That is ridiculous. Of course the fat kid is going to be more unhealthy. Everyone knows that if you are too fat you are going to get diseases.”

Female Three: “Okay so what is it that makes you think that about that kid? I’m assuming your kids are in the pool too? So they are doing the same activities right? What’s to say that that kid is less active than yours? Or that his parent’s care less about him?”

Female One: “I never said that!”

Female Two: “Well my kids won’t be getting out of the pool and drinking coke and eating chips. Bet that kid will be.”

Female Three: “What do you base that assumption on?”

Female Two: “Because parent’s of fat kids feed their kids shit, and then complain that it is someone elses problem when their kids get bullied at school or get diabetes or need to go to fat camp or something. I don’t see why taxes should pay for them being irresponsible parents.”

Female One: “Oh and when their teeth rot because they have been fed so much sugary food”

Female Three: “I think you might have been watching a bit much television to be honest. That really isn’t the case at all”

Female One: “Oh so you think you are some kind of expert or something do you?”

Female Three:  “No, look, I’m just a mum. But I just think that we can unfairly judge people because of their size. And I think we probably give people who are fat a really hard time. I can’t imagine what it must be like to have a body that is made fun of all the time. And I just don’t know if that is all that helpful really. Maybe it just encourages people into withdrawing from activity? Surely we would want to really encourage and support all kids to be healthy and to be active no matter what their size. I would certainly want my kids to know that there are a range of different bodies with different shapes and sizes and that bodies can do amazing things even if they aren’t pencil thin…..”

Female Two: “Like be a sumo wrestler” (Laughs)

Female Three: “Well, I would hate them to think that society values one body type more than another, or that it is okay to pick on someone because he or she happens to be a bit heavier than everyone else.”

Female Two: “Oh don’t get me wrong, I think they should be exercising all the time.”

Female Three: “They…..?”

Female Two: “Like the fat kids.”

Female Three: “Riiiight…”

Female One: “Yeah, or like they could have Biggest Loser type things for them.”

Female Three. “Don’t you think that would be a bit dangerous for kids? And all the people on the Biggest Loser tend to put the weight back on. I’m not sure that would be good in the long term for them.”

Female One. “Yeah that’s true”

Female Two: “It’s coz they can’t be bothered.”

Akward silence….

Female Three: “Anyway, look thanks for listening to my point of view. I know it isn’t all that fashionable to stick up for fat people, but they are people at the end of the day too. And I just reckon if we were a bit less judging and a bit more inclusive and supportive there might be a few more kids out there that felt a bit happier about themselves”.

Female Two: “Yeah I see what you are saying.You are probably right. But as long as they don’t think that it’s okay to be that weight though.”

END

Re-blogging. Rude, but is it legal?

By Samantha Thomas, January 23, 2011

Today I found out that IVillage A person on an IVillage forum had posted my ENTIRE BLOG POST about Miranda Kerr on their website.

To be honest I wasn’t that happy. Look if they had asked me, I may have said ‘okay’, but to  be honest I think what they did was just downright rude. And so, I wrote them a short letter to express my disatisfaction:  

Hello.

I am the author of this blog, and I would just like to say that I did not give my permission for this to be posted at IVillage. While I am flattered that you think it was worth sharing with your readers, I think it is extremely rude that you did not contact me to ask if I was happy for this to be posted on your blog.

I would appreciate it if you would remove it.

Best wishes,

Dr Samantha Thomas

I find this idea of re-blogging substantial parts of people’s blog postings really problematic. I have had one other experience of this when a well known Australian ‘women’s health advocate’ reblogged a huge chunk of one of my blog postings without my permission. I just thought that it was pretty poor form really.

Most of us who blog do this as an unpaid gig. So I just don’t think it is fair really that others can lift our material without asking.

Once again, Twitter came to my rescue tonight with lots of great information and moral support. Geeze I love that medium for the awesome tweeps that can help you out when you come across issues like this.

One of my PhD students and I did a study a year or so ago about how Journalists lift information from Facebook sites for their copy (pg 72 of this if you are interested in the paper). We concluded that while Facebook provides a unique new source of information for Journalists, it also throws up some interesting ethical questions. I think the same probably applies to blogs. I’m sure most bloggers wouldn’t mind you using their blogs, but you should ask first rather than just posting it on your own site.

So… have you experienced this at all? What did you do? Or are blogs just public content that are fair game for getting source material from? Am I just overreacting a bit?

Keen to hear your thoughts.

UPDATE 24th Jan 8.34am:

I had a very nice response from one of the moderators on IVillage.

Sorry about that, I have contacted the moderators to let them know you have requested this post be removed. It is Sunday, so it may not happen until Monday, I am not sure if they are around on the weekends.

Well done IVillage – that is very nice of you :D

We have to get our boobs out to breastfeed.

By Samantha Thomas, January 19, 2011

Today Miranda Kerr (Aussie chick, supermodel etc) announced the name of the baby she has just had with Orlando Bloom. The announcement went like this:

“On the 6th of January I gave birth to our beautiful little son Flynn. We cherish him. He weighed 9lb 12 ounces (a very healthy and big baby boy). I gave birth to him naturally; without drugs or painkillers and it was a long, arduous and difficult labour, but Orlando was with me the whole time supporting and guiding me through it. I could not have done it without him,”

Alongside the announcement was a beautiful photo of Miranda breastfeeding Flynn.

Now, the vast majority of people saw this photo as what it was. A gorgeous photo of a mummy and her baby. Nothing more, nothing less. I don’t think Miranda was making any kind of political statement, nor was she posting this as something that blokes could oggle at and get their thrills over (well I haven’t asked her this but I’m making a common sense assumption here).

Yet that is exactly how some boys responded when they saw this pic. Here are a few of the comments:

“I think a lot of people wish they were in like Miranda Kerrs Flynn”

“RE: Miranda Kerr breast feeding pic “any excuse to show your parts Miranda, stop taking your clothes off” “

And then there were the comments by women. This one by a Channel 7 journo:

“Odd choice by Miranda Kerr to release a photo breastfeeding her new bub? Or am I being a prude?”

And the responses to this tweet:

“Agreed!! Unnecessary!”

“She does love gettin’ her baps out ;)

“Nah you’re not. It is a bit odd!”

I am really interested in why there is still this reaction to breastfeeding in our society. It is very strange to me that somehow we still think of breastfeeding as a mum taking some sort of opportunity to flash her boobs everywhere for everyone else to have a gawp at.

So why do you think these attitudes still exist?

Have you ever had a negative reaction to breastfeeding, or posting a breastfeeding picture?

PS: For what it’s worth – I was lucky enough to breastfeed both of my kids, and to have a good experience with breastfeeding. But I was also extremely well supported with my first baby by an incredible Midwife who I think made the difference between me breastfeeding and not. I also had an incredible husband who supported me (including helping me hold and position the baby etc etc).

Not all women are as lucky as me. It is really important to acknowledge that women have a huge range of experiences with breastfeeding – positive and negative. Breastfeeding is not always as peaceful and gorgeous as Miranda’s photo makes out!

“Managed Anorexia” tweetstream: Twitter responds

By Samantha Thomas, January 11, 2011

This week I wrote a letter of complaint to Twitter about a person who was actively promoting “managed anorexia”. I am not going to name him. You all know who he is, and I think he has had too much publicity as it is.

I can’t remember the last time I wrote a letter of complaint about something. But I felt really strongly that this Tweet stream was incredibly concerning.

I wanted to upload my email and Twitter’s response for you to see. I really appreciated the response from Twitter, but I felt somewhat disempowered by their response. So yep I can, and have, blocked this person. But many other people might be more vulnerable than me to the messages that are being sent by this person on Twitter.

TheDiscourse, Jan-07 07:48 pm (PST):

Dear Twitter.
One in 10 girls suffer from an eating disorder. Anorexia manifests itself in younger adolescents. To have a person openly encouraging Anorexia as a ‘lifestyle’ is a gross abuse of Twitter. Furthermore, encouraging hate speech in Tweet streams towards women outside of ‘size zero’ is disgusting and dangerous.
Eating disorders kill people. Often.
Please do not allow this on twitter. Please shut down @(persons username)

TheCaptain, Jan-10 02:39 pm (PST):

Hello,

While we understand your frustration at the posted content, the reported user is not in violation of our Terms of Service.

As a policy, we do not mediate content. This means that users are allowed to post potentially inflammatory content, provided that they do not violate the Twitter Terms of Service and Rules.

Twitter provides a communication platform, and users may use our service to discuss controversial subject matter. We understand that everyone has different levels of sensitivity towards content, and that you may feel uncomfortable with the posted content. If there is something that you don’t agree with, or find insulting, it’s best to block and ignore that user.

This help page has instructions on blocking other users: http://support.twitter.com/entries/117063

Thank you,

TheCaptain
Twitter Trust and Safety


I think this raises interesting questions about the concept of ‘free speech’ on social media sites.

I would love to know your thoughts on this?

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